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tbh I can't even name one game where one race is inherently evil
okokok hear me out lads this video is actually kind of decent
This is incredibly racist.
some of the most racist content I’ve seen on here lmao
Do you think these guys said all this when they saw DOOM?
"Your taking agency away from the player by saying all demons are evil!"
Check out the guest writer's website. Nothing but an absolute ideologue.
Why would Extra Credits think this would go down well?
the video just said: "hey, maybe not making a species capable of thought and intelligence all evil unequivocally is bad?" and yall be like this
is someone paying these guys to make this agitprop skite?
Imagine comparing fictional species to racial and ethnic groups.
This is the most stupid thing ive ever seen. Orcs arent really evil in Warhammer 40k, they are more like anarcists. They just love doing what they are doing. Only (some) humans, and chaos humans are evil in 40k. AndTau are an alien race, that is more or less pure good. And then there are the tyranids, that consume everything, but they are animalistic, not evil. And then there are the eldar, that have both good and evil factions. But then again: evil and good, is a matter of perspective.
Wow what a low iq take
Only words to describe the people behind this channel, useful idiots.
Whole video is dumb af. I guess… when you don't have real problems, just invent new one.
Calling out J.R.R. Tolkien as having poor world building, bold. Wrong, but bold.
0:50 xd
Man, saying it's racist to make evil races by comparing those races to real life races? Kinda racist
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Only that, in 40k warhammer, every faction is evil (yes even the Imperium of Man) and the reason for everyone wanting to kill everyone depends on things like hunger, fun, assimilation, hatred, or even survival.
On a separate note: who tf compares orcs to groups of people? Humans in every fantasy setting with orcs are not restricted to caucasian features.
The one problem with this that I have is that orcs aren’t a subgroup (i.e race, nationality, or sex) of humans or elves or whatever- it’s a completely different species- so while yeah maybe don’t make them intrinsically evil or whatever cuz that’s kinda dumb- I’m fine with stuff like the – 2 to intelligence on DnD cuz it’s feasible that a different sentient species has a lower capacity for intelligence- to a reasonable degree since they are still sentient
Did yall just ignore the existence of WOW and imply that everyone thinks orcs represent minorities?
Also gj completely misunderstanding how views on good and evil work in cultures. Most people recognize that killing humans = evil.
This argument is fundamentally flawed. Most likely the NONHUMAN faction will also follow a NONHUMAN moral code. Now, what if their "good" is inherently evil to us? What if their morallity makes us and them unable to peacfully exst besides one another? then they are born evil and thats not "lazy worldbuildng".
NPCs work from an approved format, Marxist in origin. Original thought is strictly prohibited. Far-left ideology can only serve the interests of tyrants, in the end.
Surely the point of fantasy is explore ideas and concepts that don't exist in the real world, we can all agree that biological essentialism is nonsense in the real world, while still permitting ourselves to explore the concept in our hobbies and in fiction. Restricting the ideas that we can explore in fiction does nothing but harm creativity. Yes there is most definitely a place and value in making rich complicated races and cultures who can be both good and evil, but there is also a value in the stories with simplistic narratives of good vs evil, in which a simplistic evil races or cultures can play a role. We can explore these ideas without transferring the ideas to real life, its the point of the escapism of our hobbies, books and films.
Extra credits don't do bad takes challenge!
IMPOSSABLE!
Pittbulls are a violent breed, and I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
This entire channel is just a one bad April Fool's joke, not just this video
If you look at the beginning of the video, the girl's legs resemble a "windmill of friendship."
I mean, some races in sci-fi and fantasy, in lore, are literally designed by evil people for evil purposes and are thus engineered specifically to have only evil interests
This only shows yourself for what YOU… really think. If you look at some fantasy thing and see this as a group of people then that tells us what you think about that group of people.
This channel is an april fools joke at this point.
Or you know, orcs could NOT be racist and are just a fictional species
Hey there! Have a dislike.
Me 2 minutes in: Haha, wow this is really in depth for an April fools joke.
Me 5 min in: Unless???
Me after watching the video: Oh no oh no oh no
I can kinda see what you're driving at but in the case of Orcs, many games DO portray them as complicated, but their race drives them to generally more violent tendencies.
But in games line Warhammer or Warcraft, neither humans or Orcs are inherently evil (hell, play Horde on WoW). They are just at war and are labeled just as the enemy… As necessity to make you want to kill them.
Other lore like Lord of the Rings, orcs ARE bioessentally evil. They are created to be a killing force with no empathy, by a truely evil (by choice) creator.
Maybe they cannot be your definition of evil, since they have no choice, like a tornado, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped. If we could cause tornadoes to not occur, we would out of sheer self preservation. Same goes for "evil" species in games, regardless of choice or motivations.