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Hey guys, I hope everyones well. Today we’re going to be looking at the Momentum talent. I feel like it has a stigma around it of being a super high min/maxer talent that requires you to be a 5head elite gamer to use. This is completely not the case. It’s actually quite simple once you take a step back and look at it. Hopefully this guide will help you feel a bit more comfortable with using this talent because it’s always good to have options and not be locked into one build, all the time (as cool as Demonic may be)
Ok so, first thing’s first. Weakauras. Momentum is significantly easier to manage if you have a way to track its uptime. If you don’t already have a havoc weakaura pack, you can head over to wago.io and find one there OR you could get the exact one you see on the screen here – I’ll put a link to that in the description as well. This one was made by Preach so credit goes to him. It comes in 4 separate parts but it shows you absolutely everything you need to be aware of.
So when it comes to actually putting Momentum into practice, it’s actually quite simple. If we look at the talent tooltip, we can see that when we use Fel Rush it increases ALL of our damage by 15% for 6 secs. We have two charges of Fel Rush that are on a 10 sec. Recharge time. It IS possible to use both charges of your Fel Rush to get a full 12 seconds of Momentum uptime, though it’s not advised as you probably won’t have enough big damaging abilities to fill your entire window. The only time this could potentially work is at the start of a pull on a boss where you’ll likely be using Meta.
Any other time, you always want to keep one charge of Fel Rush banked.
Basically what it comes down to is always filling your Momentum windows with your high damaging abilities. Glaive Tempest, Eye Beam, Covenant Abilities (sinful brand, The Hunt, Elysian Decree) On-Use Trinkets, Annihilation and Death Sweep. Because Fel Rush has such a short recharge time and we have two charges, you should always be able to have momentum up for any of those abilities.
The main rule is try to never sit on two charges of Fel Rush but keep an eye on the rest of your abilities. Let’s say you have two charges on fel rush BUT your eye beam is gonna come off cooldown in 5 seconds. It may be worth holding that fel rush charge for a few seconds just to make sure your eye beam is available as soon as you start your momentum window, as to not waste precious momentum uptime.
The other thing to keep in mind with this talent is the second half of the tooltip. Vengeful Retreats cooldown is reduced by 5 secs and generates 80 Fury over 10 seconds if it hits an enemy (this means it can’t be used to generate fury pre-pull).
This also allows us to use Retreat to get out of mechanics instead of wasting a fel rush charge. For example, say the boss is about to do a big aoe slam around him and we have to move out of it. Instead of Fel Rushing away and putting ourselves into momentum, we can dump our current fury pool, retreat away from the aoe and then fel rush back in with some fury in our bar and a fresh stack of momentum so we can start blasting again.
If you’re fighting enemies near a wall or object (this is something you can train your tank to do, if they don’t already) you can fel rush INTO the wall as to not lose uptime on the enemy. Fel rushing AWAY from an enemy then having to move back in is going to be a huge loss in dps so you always want to keep your eye on the terrain around you to spot things you can fel rush into. This works with things like rocks, fences and walls.
Secondly, you want to consider WHERE you’re going to be Fel Rushing to if for example you’re fighting a big boss in the middle of the room with no walls to bump into.
Ideally, you want to take the boss’s hit box into consideration and aim yourself on an angle. Staying in a relatively safe position, keeping in range of the rest of your party and providing yourself a clear path to Vengeful Retreat back to if necessary. You want to avoid going THROUGH mobs unless of course you’re fighting a pack of say 15 enemies and the damage of your Fel Rush would be substantial. But generally if you’re only fighting one enemy, you want to stay on the outside of their hit box.
Key things to remember:
USE IT TO EMPOWER YOUR BIG DAMAGE ABILITIES
KEEP ONE CHARGE OF FEL RUSH BANKED AT ALL TIMES
USE VENGEFUL RETREAT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE BUT AVOID LEAVING MELEE RANGE OF WHAT YOU”RE FIGHTING.
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i downloaded the weak aura, how to i make it work please?
Nice video m8!
look forward to trying momentum with Fel Bombardment legendary. 😀
@Jedith don't do it!! Not a momentum build.
Hey man, on which armor part would you craft the eye beam legendary, from the raid ? Watching all your vids in the last few dayz, good Job <3
I watched this video just before the raid…and thank Jedith I did it. I´ve never played Momentum before, and I was confused with the rotation. Overall, the dps was higher than I expected. I need a lot of practice, but It was a nice feeling (overcoming the odds of playing a not-so-tuned class). Thanks again, Jedith, you deserve more credit for your awesome videos!
Funny how Havoc is probably the most simple DPS Alex without momentum but probably the most complicated (debatable) with momentum.
It’s clear that Havoc was definitely designed to let players choose how complex they want their game play which is really awesome.
I might try this, but I’m having fun with the cycle build Rn. Very fast paced.
I absolutely hate the cycle build in dungeons tho, so maybe this could work idk. But I know that having options is nice.
Wonder if the biff works on Elysian Decree AND it’s duplicate from the conduit.
Love your videos, Jed
Thanks for the momentum guide , your advices helped me a lot
Spasibo (that’s means thanks in russian)
How much dps do you other Havoc DH players get in Mythic+? I am 182 ilvl and averaging around 2.0k in my Mythic dungeons
Gonna be really hard to kill the muscle memory of playing demonic for 3 years :(. Thank you for the guide!
Is having the damage numbers fixed on the enemy nameplate an addon, setting in wow, or part of your UI? Really like that but I play with the standard UI
Hes is human king from warcraft movie?
Hey dude love your vids, can I ask u a favour? I switch havoc to vengeance as havoc sucks atm, but from other hand vengeance is top tier tank. Any guides, tips for this spec?
Momentum is so hard to get used to again, haven't used it since DH first came out.
Hey Jedith, I've been playing with 3331232. Just starting this video, but I'm finding this to be simming much higher.
I always liked DH, but I always got bored after a while because it was too easy to play without too much depth. Is it any differenet in Shadowlands? 🙂
I prefer momentum I think it's more engaging. Demonic is a snooze to me.
The problem with momentum for me is that when it comes to boss mechanics etc I base all my timing around knowing I can fel rush away. When I use momentum my brain farts makes me forget fel rush is on cooldown more often leading to some silly deaths via mechanics.
Too bad we last on dps on raids
for just 15% dmg buff u have to go through all this hassle. is't there something better? this momentum way of playing is just..meh. i'd rather use dash for escaping mechanics and stuff.
Would love a video about key binds and common ability rotations! Learning Havoc for raids and your videos have been the most helpful. Keep it up!
hey 1 queston what talent build we play with chaostheorie ?
Momentum is bad for Nathria.
DH is broke this is sad^^
what addon do you use so you can seee your hp and the enemys on your botto part of your screen?
mate how do activate the WA to be always on and not just when i enter combat? other then that amazing videos keep up the good work!
ok nice guide ,just wanna say i fucking hate moving like a mad man and you my rush in some boss abilty that 1 shot you never like this momentum build
Don't get how to install those auras, they are just text files…
Hey, I actually play Kyrian with my DH because it's so strong for tank for Mythic+.
But i want to play DPS for raids, do you think i need to go venthyr for more damage ?
I have a problem with the demon blades the passive ability that replaces demon bite, i get this "windows" between my rotation where i get no fury and cant attack i dont like this talent… is it me doing wrong? or all dh experience this ? happy for answer thanks.
Hey Jed, do you have a list of addons that you use? Big fan of your UI.
nice
Whats the best legendary for this build?
Now go apply this in a real m+ dungeon👍
hey jedith, do you have link to your elv ui ? looks realy good. would love to try it!
For me it really comes down to my connection speed. Even the slightest rise in latency is noticeable with a momentum build. When everything is smooth, momentum is soo fun.
Hey Jedith, could you do a video on Momentum's rotation, stat prio and what legendaries to look out for?
hey jedith if u cant get the raids legendaries right away would u recommend fel bombardment or burning wound with growing inferno soul bind?
thanks for the tips!
You should put out some content around this and support this video creator. DH has been absolutely destroyed and blizzard need to do something about it. https://youtu.be/1ZssyVlbahE