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A longer video going over what problems Mistweavers are running into and how they can potentially be fixed. I hope this video can shed some light some of the frustrations that have been doing on since beta. If you have ANY questions, please let me know!
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Time Stamps:
00:00 Intro
01:29 What is a Monk?
02:55 Good Changes so Far
03:28 Not so Good Changes so Far
08:19 Abilities Brough Back
10:12 Our Cooldowns
11:30 Mana
12:29 Survivability
14:27 More Potential Changes
Source
Mysticall: "Jade Serpent is iconic of MW monk and should be baseline. Life Cocoon castable while stunned."
Me: Mysticall the GOD
Introducing the charges system to life cocoon would be amazing too, having 2 charges each with 1.5 min cooldown would help in all areas of the game.
I really don't understand why they nerfed brew so huge. Like why? Doesn't make any sense for mw and even ww, at minimum make it useable while stunned
What is that thing on your back?
great piece! mana is the biggest problem right now, and the utility is quite weak compared to other healer.Melee healing is cool, but considering the current melee-unfriendly environment in myth+, it’s really difficult to maximize that.
Much of this is good, but you forgot the most important change that needs to happen: make zen flight usable on the ground!
i really would love to see all healers get buffed, bfa 20 min mana games felt nice MANA is where its at
Honestly playing chi'ji in raid feels awful as Kyrian even though its the best pairing for it, essence font, weapons of order, chi'ji and only then you can start your healing it feels so clunky when you need the healing now
The mana issue is absurd .. we just can't finish the fight, we go OOM, that's it, no matter how mana efficient you are, and the legendary is awesome, just that, we only heal 6 ppl with it, and it costs 3k mana, it's worthless and useless as it is now at lest in a raid. we won't save anyone with it.
What if Life Cocoon applied to both health and mana & restored (some) mana when the shield broke?
i respect your opinion but i dont like Mistweaver that focus on damage, i would like they boost both specs of Mistweaver and Fistweaving so we can choose what we want
Mistweaver is the worst healer. Fixes should include:
1. Nimble Brew (Baseline 1.5min CD) – Addresses the extra high susceptibility of MW.
2. Disable (Baseline) – Addresses the lack of non-healing utility MW have when compared with other healers.
3. Fortifying Brew (1.5min CD) – Keep other nerfs.
4. Red Crane – Removes slows/roots and makes immune for the duration.
5. Jade Serpent Statue (Baseline) – Keep current nerfs
6. Empower Jade (1.5min CD, Replaces statue talent) – Causes statue to breath on 3 allies, for double healing, for 15 sec duration.
After legion sure fist weaving was a thing in mop and wod we were not a damage dealing healer like it was later in legion and bfa. Im not a fan of it. Putting yourself in bad positions to do damage is not worth it and damage from these abilities would have to be higher and if it were than the case the healing would have to equivalate and I also don't see it happening. Just buff the core CDs and I do agree greatly with having disarm and disable i was also hoping it would make a comeback. Hope to see you on ladder as a fellow MW! Orbgodx-Darkspear
Mystical I tip my hat to you brother.. you sure do stick it out with this class
I always thought mistweavers should have some way to give stagger to people. If they removed the gimp heal entirely from revival, and replaced it with stagger…
I agree with everything you said, you have such a nice way of viewing things! In a previous video you also mentioned to maybe get damage reduction on renewing mists, which imo is a great idea for general tankiness and a reason to go full ham on rising mists in raids. Maybe an increase to spirit of the crane for mana returns in raids, if we can heal properly while doing damage, the returns would be fantastic aswell. And I'd like a buff to tiger tail sweep aswell, the range can go but mby a 30 sec cdr, otherwise i don't think people would ever take it in any content over ring of peace.
Great video! Reverting Fortifying Brew, making it useable during stun along with Cocoon would be nice (not that it counts in this meta, Cocoon's absorb is gone in 1-2 globals). I would really love to get Mistwalk+Soothing Mist while moving back, but that will never happen. Also mana, mana, mana. I'm raiding as MW and it is really a big issue. As for PvP, I had to reroll to resto druid (I know, currently not the greatest choice, but I'm enjoying it).
I knew it was changed since mop but i didn't expect them to straight up get rid of eminence. Like, wasn't it class defining passive? It made us melee healer with fist weaving how is that fair just to get it back we need to get a legendary? I wanted to make one monk and wait for buffs but looking how weird the class is right now I will pass
I thought the legendary made the damage focused healer type style Valid
it would be so sick if they brought that ability back to when we got stunned we would be immune to damage for a couple seconds
We have some of the best mobility in the game, but it really doesn't matter anymore when we can get globaled so easily. All it takes is a couple of seconds of getting locked down by a melee and I'm done. And its really not that difficult to do if I'm out of position for half a second. I can't tell you how much I miss secret infusion too.
I'm happy that ww is strong rn, otherwise I would have quit wow…
Man I am having mana issues with this xpac
I love mist weaving for raids but I hate feeling OOMed before the boss ends. I’m even using mana Pots and still getting OOMed. I hate it
Mist weaver – weaves mists. Not a fucking DPS, if they turn into holy paladins I'm going to quit the class I've played since MOP.
MW is the lowest. IN EVERY END GAME EXPERIENCE. We are the lowest in raids by a small margin, but still the lowest. I went through 1000 top M+ healers and only 19 MW are present. That is less than 2%. There are 9 MW in the top 2000 3v3 EU players. We have all of the stats available and MW is the lowest all around… I don't understand how Blizzard has not addressed this.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/state-of-mistweaver-pvp-shadowlands-week-1/773404
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#metric=hps&class=Healers&difficulty=3
Here's a good reddit thread for more info: https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/iqwulb/an_open_letter_from_the_monk_community_to/
I agree that it's not fun but if it wasn't good – how you are 2.4 than?
I stopped playing since I don't like having to pve to pvp. If they get something like gw2 where we can pick whatever gear we want, etc. then yeah that'd be great. Damage seems bonkers too.
Just make a macro to cancel aura for the torpedo? /cancelaura spellname ….
the problem with mistweaver is the players.
players always assume that people are telling them what the best talents, the best stats, the best playstyle to use are; and when those don't work then the class needs to be "fixed".
try assuming the way you're playing mw is wrong, your talent choices have mistakes, and your stat priority encouraging an improper way of playing is wrong.
I've only play MW since WOD, this is my experience and my advice. I'm not going to give you the "answers" as that would just continue the cycle for mw.
also, i'm tired of hearing mw has mana problems. It doesn't. It didn't in legion. Not in BFA either. It's not MW, it's the player.
its extrememly unique spec that plays outside the box and that's nice considering how much everyone complains about class similarity.
(this post won't argue into stat tuning; it's the beginning of xpac a lot of classes still need stat tuning)
this is a great summary of what is wrong with MW currently and some ideas that can be done with the class
I never run chi ji its cool to get the free enveloping mist but 3 minute cooldown is too long it just feels pointless. Using statue or refreshing with yulon has been the way to go for me
Sounds like you would be better off playing a Disc Priest. WOW already has Damage=Healing, I love the MW healing and it doesn't really need to be tuned to Damage.
ring of peace should be baseline!
I really don't like the idea of relying on a powerful 5 min cd when we're meant to be a fast paced class thats has consistent throughput but I am not against that addition. I hope they allow us to stack dots and multipe enveloping mist etc/sort out our mana issue since we waste it to just stay alive when focused/allow us to use FB/caccoon in CC.
Words cannot describe how stressful and unfun games are as a MW. You never feel safe or even as a threat in arena. So underwhelming and sad. Wasted my time gearing my main and no time to gear an ALT to the same level.
I hope they give us secret infusion as baseline. We need so many spells to make us balanced. So underequipped. Just a joke we still have to pick statue as a talent. Makes no sense. It's like the first spell people think of when they think of mistweavers.