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Let the people talk. Thanks for your opinion 😊 people forget this is just your theorie.
What if they talk about Uther.. fighting for the light but was introduced through the darkness, since he threw arthas into the maw. Just my theorie^^
ARGUS is the pantheon of ORDERs being of DEATH. While the ARBITER is the pantheon of DEATHs being of ORDER.
Was expecting some explanation as to why the Arbiter's corruption had to happen before the torching of Teldrassil, and why it's not any of the other possible options who might shoot red things, like say, Sire Denathrius, and was a bit disappointed.
Azeroth is the parallel of the Arbiter. Just like Eonar or Elune is the parallel "sister" of the winter queen. When Sargeras stabbed the world he struck the heart of the arbiter. Argus was the parallel of the jailer. Both of them were in chains as well. Which is far better in theory than the calculus that this theory requires. Basically every "living" titan has a alternate version. In order to have "balance". Which the entire game revolves around universal "balance". I.e. void and light, life and death. If the arbiter was attached to argus then it should be dead not wounded. And there's one titan right now wounded. And that wound is unable to heal because theres a giant freaking magical sword stuck in it. Im putting money on once we handle the sword the Arbiter will heal the hole in its chest.
Another one to think about: The Primus of Maldraxxus is the Runecarver
Helya could have had that effect too.
Renethal says in a cutscene that denathrius started the anima drought… but I guess we’re not gonna pay attention to that
Isn't it revealed at the end of the campaign that Denathrius caused the drought?
The transmog set has nothing to do with Argus lmao
Hmmm… Jailer rules the realm of death. We know for a fact that the shadowlands have seen incursions from both the Light in Revendreth and the Void in Bastion… so what if another force tried to invade it before any of the previous two and actually succeeded? Order (aka titans) find the realm of death and they want to …order it just like they do with everything else. They imprison the Jailer and leave 4 of their kind behind as the leaders of the covenants. The Winter Queen might be bitter about Aeonar because she was the one of the two who got left in charge of Ardenweald — kind of like Hades with Zeus from greek mythology. This could be plausible to some extent, though the one major thing that gives me pause believing it fully is that Denathrius doesn't behave at all like a titan. Primus, Winter Queen and Archon are all very orderly and titan-like…but not so much Denathrius. He doesn't act the part nor look the part…though his subjects…even the rebels who fight against him, still refer to him as The Master, which makes me think he has a LOT of power…to be refered in such a way even by his enemies. Its almost self defeating to continue calling the one you rebell against "The Master" , unless you know he has devastating power worthy of respect.
I honestly wondered if it was Helya, and it was part of the deal she made with Sylvanas.
All this world building and not a single character to give a shit about. Amazing.
Xalatath also speaks of a great victory that went unnoticed when she, with he spriest, enters the seat of the pantheon. Probably by finding, the seat of the pantheon, killing Argus and binding Sargueras the void thought they would win the battle for Azeroth. She would be the most powerful, and last active, Titan afterall, a great weapon to the void, even with bigger fishes on the pond (Death pantheon).
Sargeras' sword is also red
Is primus the legendary crafter in torgest?
Argus belonged to Order, so acording to devs, his soul will go to Order plane… Its more like it was guldan, remember guldan in Mythic only phase gets red like sargeras power… Also anima are the memories of the dead, and Gudan memories were a mix of MU Guldan and AU guldan, so it could completely shut down the arbiter…
I think its definitely Ysera's corrupted soul. In "Enemy Infiltration" hey talk about a vulnerability identified in Ardenweld and Ysera is connected to Ardenweld. Titan soul's wouldn't go to the Shadowlands, they would go back to the Pane of Order, where they are from.
Ok, here's a theory for you Bell. Feel free to expand on it if you will.
After striking down Aggramar, Sargeras reforged Gorshalach from Gorribal and Taeshalach. As it's suggested Gorshalach was semi sentient before being broken in two (by it's own will). In Sargeras' last ditch effort as he was being pulled away by the Titan Pantheon he summoned up his sword and struck Azeroth near the Heart chamber (again for a reason). But not before he transfered his essence into the sentient sword. The red projectile was most likely not a ''standard issue soul''. At least not the type, that could even be judged by the Arbiter. Funny as it sounds it caused an Error 404 in the Arbiters otherwise foolproof system. Watch the cinematic where Magni stares at the pulsating red orb on the sword and then look at what hit the Arbiter.
Regarding Ursoc and Ysera. It's a game of words. They were one of the last to arrive (most likely not to Shadowlands, but to Ardenweald, where most nature alligned souls of demigods and the like go). It was never stated (to my knowledge, that these two souls were absolutely the last two to arrive in Shadowlands prior to Arbiter going 404).
It was never stated exactly when in legion the Arbiter (the Machine of Death) broke down…
Also Steve Danuser stated in a recent interview, that the sword in Silithus (Gorshalach imo); quote:
''Will the sword disappear from Silithus?
The sword has a part to play in something to come.,,
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
BTW. Check the runes on the Heart chamber main ticker in the middle.
Take a shot every time a wild claim is made. Take an extra shot if the proof is more insane than the actual claim.
P sure the arbiter tried playing BfA and went into a coma
Maybe argus. Maybe Denathius. Leaning way more to Denathius, the game literally says he caused the drought.
Nobody cares about this stuff.
Now, where is the honor vendor? Ive been looking for days.
It's interesting that the Nathrezim, who are members of the Legion under Sargeras, were also involved in the creation of the Lich King, a strictly Jailer ploy. There's a clear connection between Sargeras and the Jailer. It does beg one to wonder, if the intent of the Unmaker was to unmake reality, what was Sargeras trying to accomplish, and how would this also benefit the Jailer? It seemed like Sargeras simply wanted to stop Azeroth's awakening, and so why the Unmaker?
People are writing off Ysera because she died before Ursoc, who we know made it to the Shadowlands, and after Helya's lamp shenanigans but before the ToV – as Helya also made it to the Shadowlands. Whilst that might lend credence to Bells theory about Argus being "The Red One", if memory serves, Helya was a creation of Odyn and himself, a Keeper and thus does not invalidate the Blizz statement. One could argue that Ysera would have to have been one of the last souls through, and she died, corrupted by Void Energy from the Nightmare, as a red coloured Dragon. Bell himself has also pointed out that its a weird inconsistency to have the Spirits turn up at the end of the Emerald Nightmare as "green life force ghosts" when we now know they should have been sent directly to the Shadowlands.
Could we not entertain a solution that doesn't write that off as an error? We have known of entities slain on Azeroth recorporialise within the Dream (see below) and yet we now have 2 confirmed cases of ED Entities returning to the Shadowlands after Death. Neither share many commonalities around how they died, yet the differences could be what help us here. We know Ursoc has died before, been the victim of an abortive resurrection before dying again – but not before being CLEANSED (Important later) and then dying, finally, to the Players in the EN raid. The following can thusly be deduced as true: a Wild God spirit, with Titan Blessings and Empowerment, will Primarily return to the Emerald Dream – a Titanic Construct Offshoot of the Plane of Life – RATHER than return to the Shadowlands as a Wild Spirit. The catch here seems to be that if they die WITHIN the Dream – their connection to the Titan (or perhaps directly to the Plane of Life) rebirth construct is severed and they return to the Shadowlands as a Wild Spirit. Ursoc died within the dream, corrupted, but appeared, cleansed, within the Heart of the Dream before returning to the Shadowlands BEFORE we get there, and is regrettably sacrificed for the sake of Ardenweald.
Presumably he arrived before(?) Ysera, but I'd need to re-examine the quest text and voice lines during the start of her quest chain in Shadowlands to be sure. because he is sacrificed as the grove dies whilst we find Ysera's Wildseed infested with Nightmares.
Now onto Ysera we know for sure that;
She died outside the Dream itself.
She died Corrupted*
She assisted us in the fight against Xavius at the end of the EN raid.
She was NOT fully present inside the Dream, appearing in her humanoid form (not even her true Dragon soul) and is a flickering, inconsistent presence.
She successfully arrived in Ardenweald
???
*During her death cinematic, we have some sort of intervention, seemingly, at the hands of Elune where we see her Soul (or Anima, its bright blue like the Night Fae anima is shown) pulled out of her body, which REMAINS red and corrupted, before it fades away (?) and the still corrupted Tears of Elune sprout, before the red corruption flakes off. This is where we start to speculate pretty hard, but it does follow.
Is her soul, much like Uthers 'split' into two halves? Why would she still be plagued by Nightmares in AW? Why would she appear, however briefly, within the Dream? She'd be ahead of Ursoc now surely, if her corrupted essence got pulled directly from there into SL? This means that whatever happens to her corrupted essence/physical body doesn't occur immediately. Elune, or maybe Ysera herself could be hanging on to help us against Xavius, or perhaps her corruption still ties her to the Dream and as such can't move on until we cleanse the Dream at the end of the raid. Perhaps Elune's intervention didn't work out as she planned, maybe attempting to pull her straight back to the Plane of Life, we can't know for sure.
I'm not entirely sure where in the timeline ToV sits when considered against the close of the EN and whether the consideration of Helya is even important – as essentially a Death Aspect Titan-construct-construct she may go straight to the Maw anyway and her arriving after the Red Soul is no longer important, she'd get dumped straight down at this point regardless. But whether it happened immediately after the EN or Ursoc just hung out in the Heart for a bit before he slipped away, before whatever was happening with Ysera concluded, it lines up correctly. We also DONT SEE the red soul descend downwards towards the Maw during the Arbiters cinematic, it fries her and we see the red explosions within Orobos while there are still at least 2 gates connected via the Soul-line thingies that only fade out after the explosions. I mean, this is just my opinion, but I can't help but feel whoever made the cinematic might find it hard to resist having a huge red Ion-Cannon beam fire Argus out the bottom, unless it wasn't in line with canon, but hey, opinions.
So you now can consider the implications of the arrival of a soul that has:
Ties to the Plane of Life/Emerald Dream
Corrupted by the Void/Corrupted by the Voids Corruption of Pure Life (this may be why we get so much Red corruption from the Void in the Dream, vs the Purple Corruption that is their common scheme)
Corrupted using the 'odd-one-out' of the Pillars – an Artifact named specifically after Elune, one of the most mysterious powers yet present in the Lore.
Ties to the Titans
Ties to Azeroth
Is a type of Soul that, as far as we know, has a PREDETERMINED end-point. Ardenweald, where all the Wild Spirits return.
This still leaves room for Argus going "wherever Titans go" and not breaking that piece of Lore, whilst giving us an even more solid reason for Ysera to be present in Ardenweald, and whilst I have no doubt the Drust deserve a nice chunk of content within Shadowlands, this could give Blizz an "in" for more Void development, alongside hopeful Light development.
I am sure this will get picked apart by some small detail I've forgotten somewhere, but it was a fun ride. Enjoy!
The Lich king is a Red Boy despite being a Blue Boy just like Argus
I am pretty sure Denatrius is the one who attacked the Abritor and is the one that caused her to go dormant, not the death of Argus.
This video is a clickbait.
This channel is full of nonsense.
Users was said to be the last soul to reach Ardenweald before the drought as stated by Dreamweaver, which would matches the timeline that Argus would cause the Arbiter’s dormant state because Ysera would likely be the last soul slated for the Night Fae who died in Legion