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Minecraft 1.19.1 Pre-Release 2 comes of the back of a Release Candidate. Critical issues discovered at the last minute have delayed the release of minecraft 1.19.1
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https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/addressing-player-chat-reporting-tool
https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7317376541197
https://www.minecraft.net/de-de/article/minecraft-1-19-1-pre-release-2
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-19-1-release-candidate-1
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0:00 Intro
0:29 Response To Outrage Video
1:40 Exploiting Issues To Anger
2:45 Addressing Player Reporting Tool
3:29 Private Servers & EULA
4:10 1.19.1 Pre-Release 2
5:04 1.19.1 Release Candidate 1
5:35 Release Date?
5:57 My Critiques
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The Minecraft community are like wild and free children, they grew up not without their parents rules, but with their own group's rules and logic, so i dont really trust microsoft suddenly adding rules to a place where rules are custom/none
This is marketed as a feature 'for the players' and the community. The majority of the Java community seems to be against it though, so the fact that they are stubborn-headedly pushing this feature through with its core concerns unaltered raises doubt at to if this marketed purpose is the ultimate one. This is mixing with the general distrust in the 'kindness and benevolence' of big corporations who are only rarely doing something purely out of good will without any long term monetary goals in mind. I am not stating that they have any kind of malevolent long term plans starting with this monitoring feature as the first step (as that would be way too dystopian) and I cannot see through their intentions either but I can perfectly understand if such concerns arise generally.
In this case the biggest problem would be, as another commenter has said already, not primarily the danger of false bans, but this update requiring the community to put a big chunk of our own freedom into the hands of a multi-million dollar corporation with to us yet unknown final motivations for it.
On the other hand though, this could just be a brainchild of a random M/M manager who issued this project as an 'important matter' to become head of it and get their salary raised and is now trying to get this feature rolled out as unaltered as possible as not to lose reputation in the face of their company colleagues. No malicios long term plans, no hidden intent, just the stubbornness, financial interest and, yes, short sightedness of an unknown individual who, by the unfortunate structure of our corporations and society, is put in charge of the freedom and personal enjoyment of millions and puts that (of course) below their own limited carreer goals.
i feel like the main issue here is that Mojang/Microsoft are trying to fix something that isn't broken. i would understand if they put these reporting tools in in response to some major event or public outcry, like a large amount of servers being raided by bot accounts or something similar. But the fact of the matter is, they are implementing these changes without any just cause, and actively harming the established per-server moderation that has been in place ever since Minecraft had multiplayer. the only conceivable motive i can think of as to why they would implement this is that Microsoft wants more direct control over Minecraft players, and i personally dont believe they deserve that level of control.
I see contradiction here. They say no chat monitoring yet they have moderators as humans and investigators. How they moderate if they can't monitor it? I wonder….maybe I don't understand this part truly.
0:50 All server owners, do what u/Doobliheim said!
TBH, the private server moderation is a bit much. While I do side with you on this argument, I do feel like Private servers need to be able to disable this very feature. It would be on by default though. This way, when a server owner feels like there is a risk of such extreme cases of chats happening, they can keep this setting on and if it is a private server, when you are doing what you do as friends, a server owner(you or your friend) can just stop this setting. Or maybe another thing that Mojang needs to change, is the fact that the bans are permanent. Maybe the player banned, could be banned for 30 days and this number keeps going up with how many times a report from the same player is decided to be an extreme chat. While it is within the 'legal' rights of Microsoft and Mojang to have this chat reporting system, these companies need to also take into account how the users of the game react to this. It makes a lot more sense to do what I am saying and preserve the quality of this great game. I, like many, love this game and would not want to see it being destroyed just because of the implementation of on tiny feature that will impact thousands of players. Companies like Microsoft are huge tech companies and will 100% add bots to moderate these messages in the long run and that would destroy the game even more. What Microsoft needs to do, is be very clear and communicate with the player base what they want to do. This will greatly reduce the huge unrest in its playerbase. I really hope that if people like this enough, this could make it into the game itself.
Imagine get banned for saying hi
There should be a notice in big bold letters, saying "If you have an issue, consider reporting it to local server admins first." Bringing Microsoft itself down on someone should be seen as the Nuclear Option, only to be used for persistent, targeted harassment across multiple servers, or against the server admins themselves should the situation call for it.
There should also be an acknowledgment, official or otherwise, that in some cases this simply will not work. Truly malicious griefers and harassers will often have multiple means of circumventing such a ban, primed and ready to minimize any disruptions to their assholery.
Fuck report chat
I respect your willingness to openly admit when you made a mistake or handled a situation not ideally.
I think your desire to always listen to and understand both sides is commendable. However, this can lead to you defending positions that aren't your own, when your instinct to a relatively united community standpoint is to be a contrarian for seeing both sides' sake. It's something I myself struggled with before.
i dont think anyone would see this but i think the best way to fix your tree problem and get them into a straight line lol is using a piston feed tape… but use slime blocks to pull them up or down and push them out into a line. almost like a conveyor belt.use honey blocks attached to stick pistons to push slime blocks on a conveyor belt chain that sit next to the wood blocks coming out. now it would slow down the farm to get the logs into place but thats a timing issue i think you can figure out. please try this and see how it works
If I may add my opinion to your two remarks:
1. I don't think the reporting and chat moderation system is a good idea. I think this proposal highlights how fundamentally Mojang misunderstands the community. The nature of the game is quite federalist/dislocated, in the sense that it is the communities themselves who develop mod packs, servers etc. which keep the game interesting. The yearly updates of course bring something "new" to the game, but as Minecraft is a "sandbox game", it is truly about what people do with it and not too much about its initial inherent value. By forcing such moderation policies on the community, it implements a form of centralised control "from above", that disregards the ability of servers to moderate themselves and their interest in having a moderation policy in the first place. As such, I believe that should Mojang really want to implement the reporting system (which I would really discourage as it will deeply hurt the community and their relationship to Mojang in the long run), it should only occur on a "opt-in" basis, where individual servers can decide to willingly allow Mojang to moderate. It should however NOT be forced upon them.
2. My second point regards the permaban. Under your previous video there were already really interesting testimonies of people struggling with the Minecraft Bedrock reporting system (most significant a certain shadow-ban but also the permaban) who reported of their struggles to understand why they were banned and consequently how to challenge this ban. I truly fear that although some slight improvements might occur for the Java edition, the result will remain similar. I also don't really think that there is any learning factor if the punishment is being banned for life. Sure, you might argue that some people might never learn but I think the vast majority inappropriate or harmful posts will ultimately come from younger people, who are testing the social boundaries but grow as they mature and learn the consequmces of their action (which I think is not fully possible with the permaban, as it limits future interaction with these communities and people who can teach the boundaries). Of course, I don't want to downplay comments by Neonazis or people who encourage suicide but I also don't think that simply banning them forever will help them to understand, that they did something wrong (or that it is the task of Mojang anyway to teach them that). Of course you often need some form of punishment, but I think that smaller punishments which can occur on a more repeated basis (when the community guidelines are violated) are a more effective tool to show a player that a certain behaviour is wrong, instead of banning them forever – in a situation where the person being banned often doesn't know themselves why they were banned.
To quickly summarise the points: (1) If implemented, I believe the reporting system should only occur on an "opt-in" basis; and (2) there should be no punishment as permanent as a permaban.
My problem with this is that it is a culture of babysitting platforms. I've played on servers with idiots before and they either adjusted to the tone that was being kept or they were unwelcomed by the members and admins. We don't need or want Mojang or Microsoft to get involved at all. It's a waste of resources that could go to development. These companies are NOT paragons of good behavior and are NOT appropriate policing squads. We're paying to create virtual environments where the individuals involved set the rules of how to behave. Social issues should be resolved by the social circle or the admins or the ones running the server. If you're on a server where everyone behaves terribly and nobody does anything: YOU are on the WRONG server. The correct action isn't for Microsoft to banhammer an entire server, it is for you to select a more appropriate server for yourself.
I'm sorry Xisuma. Your fence is really uncomfortable to sit on. We see all these big companies repeatedly being TERRIBLE places for their employees with extremely toxic behaviors going on. The whole premise of these companies actively policing behavior universally within their games is bordering on insane. Just be game devs and try to do that well. Leave social construction to the players. We already have the tools to moderate our environments. Microsoft employees are unwelcome.
My problem with this is that we can literally have it both ways. They can have the option for server owners to opt out of this system if it is desired. Let it broadcast a warning when you sign in, if we choose to opt out. But let us do what is right for our servers, because I know bots will be running the show inside of a year. Doesn't matter if they say they aren't going to at the beginning. Obviously Mojang is willing to pull the rug out from under us with promises not kept in other areas, why not with the promise of human moderators, too?
And sure, we've all run into abusive admins, but server admins can't ban you from all of multiplayer. False equivalence in my view.
Not all communication in Minecraft is PG rated and often private servers are just friends picking on each other and often its just fun. I feel the solution to this would be a chat addin and excluding the inbuilt chat
Don't worry about it, we love you and know you read the comments. People are sometimes a bit blunt to make a clear statement. You've also always expressed your opinion, and have always been open to the opinion of other people.
anyone notice there is a playtime counter now or is that just me if not how do I look at it's settings
Guys you cant believe what just happend somehow i can build below the void
alternative video title: how i managed to stretch a 1 minute video idea into 17 years of meaningless fill-in words and ill call it professionalism
Already hearing in my ear: "I got banned because I did not use her/his/their pronouns correctly"
I feel like this is from Microsoft more then Mojang. Microsoft forced Mojang to switch their accounts to the new Microsoft system and now they are trying to moderate everything and make it more kid friendly for investors, not players. Kids are more profitable then adults so why care about the adult fans of Minecraft, after all the money's in the kids right?
I am so glad you clarified your stance while also admitting where your previous video might have fell short for some. When I first saw your previous video, I will say I felt a little disappointed it seemed like you were ignoring the voice of the people by calling them the loud minority, but this video you really did well with re-explaining both sides of this topic while simultaneously to easing concerns but still raising awareness around potential issues that Mojang should look into.
I always have and will appreciate how you don't immediately follow the crowd and instead take time to consider both sides of any topic. Even when you occasionally miss, your positive intentions are clear.
Really great update video.
I haven't chatted much at all about it, but for me what pushes me to side against mojang further, was the devs(or atleast the ones I follow) appearing to almost never reply/address the complaining.
I think that Microsoft should allow server owners to turn off Microsoft moderation but when a player first logs in they get some kind of message like the one you first get when you hit the multiplayer tab
"do they deliberately want to upset and.." they don't care, customers only exist if they're paying.
Highly trained moderators 🤣
I just won't use chat anymore I guess
Honestly, I think the only way we'll be able to get Microsoft to make any positive changes to this scheme is if enough of the big voices in the community band together to make our collective voices heard.
I understand why there are so many voices against this but honestly? I think Mojang did a reasonable thing with the strict moderation. Let's be real, most long-term tighter communities have for example discord as a chatting environment and considering the stories about grooming and so on that circulate around it proofs that a lack of internal moderation leads to horrible things. I don't blame Mojang wanting the servers connected to them to be as clean as they can make them. The PG theme has always been a big point to them over the years.
I ask you how else they could implement this. You talk about opting out? Think about what that implies. Their extremes at least protect the really young players that can be bound solely to minecraft. Adults have the option to opt out already. You move the adult chat elsewhere. A bit less swearing hasn't hurt anyone and if you fostered a good community the report should be the last thing that happens anyway.
Still, the rules and restrictions are hard. But the alternative? Depriving the younger audience of an additional safety barrier? That's not an option to me.
The one thing i found particularly funny is when listing people who are against the chat ban feature, two of the people whose chats you brought up, while speaking condescendingly, were CubFan and Docm. Like they're your friends, aren't they? If you don't agree with them that's fine, but also shouldn't throw shade on them by quoting them either, lol
Everyone freaking out because they want to say the N-word in Minecraft can't wait to see you cry for getting banned XD
Xiuma I started playing games in 2018 and one of them was Minecraft. I stared playing on PS4 as that was the situation. It is damaging (one would say) seeing richer brand taking over a strong one. Since I started gaming and picked on this game on device I had, I am glad that I am not behind Java that much. Look, I didn’t ever get to know Java so I don’t have 10 years experience but I started my Minecraft journey as late gamer (I would say). Maybe it is time to sell ?
I m glad you are professional and didn't mind admitting to your mistakes, mad respect dude!
Overall I think Mojang should be a lot more clear when it comes to these types of changes and really double down on the information and they should go over their information 200 times before they submit it for the public to see.
It's nice to see that hate speech is partly defined.
It's still ill-defined in that it includes the senders intent.
Further, there's a moderation issue between se of the categories, namely sexual orientation and religiosity.
Let's say something says someone is talking about their sexual orientation and someone else says they don't believe that it's right because the bible says so, or something, and the former responds with something like "you're a stupid christian". In the example they laid out, the statement of "you're a stupid christian" would be hate speech but would the individual talking about their sexual orientation be protected because the lgbt community is marginalized, at risk, and vulnerable? Mind you that they didn't state you couldn't release PII about yourself, just that you couldn't perform sexual solicitation.
What about bullying? Old school bullying consisted of name calling and physical violence, name calling clearly translates into something someone could do in-game but the violence, not so. Would stalking and PKing another player be the equivalent translation? Griefing? IDK, moderation is hard and something best left up to individuals to do for themselves.
I don't believe that parents should be using the internet as a babysitter, my dad tough me about the horrors of what people can do online and it's stuck, but I'm a techie too now and I see the rational behind his teachings. Not enough parents know about the horrors of the Internet and let their kids experience it first hand, then blame companies for it vs taking on the responsibility for themselves. I know better than to post PII about myself, how about that being an offensive that bans people from talking for awhile?
I can understand that I could get banned from a mojang servers for saying something inappropriate on their servers. But why on earth I would be banned from my own server at the same time? Or from LAN game? Its not just "too extreme", its just madness. Patch code name '1.19.84' did not come out of nothing.
So now people will just move to talking on signs or building letters in the world itself. If they are going draconian given time they will limit sign behavior and limit certain block combinations to avoid people building certain symbols or letters or anything the overlords decide is a no-no. This move will create an opposite reaction and people will cross lines to prove the hypocrisy of a giant corporation like microsoft who tests and breaks international law on a weekly basis telling our generation what is right and wrong and limiting the experience you paid for. Its the parents job to make sure the kid is safe and the server is age-appropriate. It is the server hosts and moderators job to enforce their server limitation. It is the adults own choice what we experience and we paid for it. If that means watching a couple of angsty teens calling each other the n word while fighting like armored up bunnies while I'm trying to avoid the nagging sensation of the nearing end of the world that is my own choice. And to throw books with better curse words at them after the fight. And the choice of the moderators to allow it or not. Go eat rocks microsoft.