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So Kyrian is considered the BIS covenant for a lot of classes/specs, and this is true for all 3 specs of rogue…. but is it really the Kyrians that are BIS, or just a lone, overtuned soulbind character?
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0:00:00 Introduction
0:00:55 Overview
0:03:04 Why Pelagos is an Issue
0:06:34 Difference in Overall damage between Soulbinds
0:07:55 Solutions?
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UPDATE: Lol I TOLD you guys. xD New video about Pelagos = Nerfed same day I mention it needs to be. I'll be simming and testing to see if the change was enough to make it in-line with all the other options available to us.
This is going to be a REALLY big comment, because a couple folks brought up how I could put the numbers out there for you all to see exactly how much DPS these covenants were all averaging. So, here is the notes I was working on while putting this video together! These numbers are based on an Outlaw Rogue of 195 Item level with NO Legendaries, using the Count the Odds conduit and the Covenant specific conduit in each situation, both at rank 1. The numbers aren't exactly SUPER important, more so the % difference between them as the raw DPS value will change with item level and legendaries and higher ranked conduits and stuff.
KYRIAN
Pelagos = 4068
Kleia = 3883
Mikanikos = 3889
avg 3946
VENTHYR
Nadjia = 3945
Theotar = 3887
Draven = 3798
avg 3876
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Marileth = 3840
Emeni = 3932
Heirmir = 3838
avg 3870
NIGHT FAE
Korayn = 3923
Niya = 3988
Dreamweaver = 3941
avg 3950
Highest = Pelagos, 4068
Lowest = Heirmir, 3838
5.7% DPS loss between specific soulbind/covenant choice with covenant specific conduit
In same covenant
(Worst in DPS versus best in DPS)
Kyrian 4.4% difference between Mikanikos and Pelagos
Venthyr 3.7% difference between Draven and Nadjia
Necrolord 2.4% difference between Heirmir and Emeni
Night Fae 1.7% difference between Dreamweaver and Niya
Sorry that this video ended up a bit chattier than normal, hopefully the segmented portions help if you want to skim through the video for certain topics. ^^;
So with that article wowhead posted just yesterday showing the disparity of how many classes/specs recommend Kyrian as your 'BiS', I figured I'd show you folks exactly why and exactly by how MUCH it is the best by. Honestly for the most part, the covenant soulbinds are all pretty darn even for rogues, with the exception of our still overtuned Pelagos. Other than him, the other 2 soulbind characters are pretty much dead even with all the other ones of most of the other covenants, though each covenant does have one that is slightly stronger than the rest. Pelagos, however, is just too high compared to any other soulbind in the game.
I hope this helps you all understand exactly why and by how much he is 'better' for now, but of course now that I made this video I have basically guaranteed they will fix him in todays build so let's see if my magic works. ^^ lol Have a great day, everyone!
I absolutely detest ER… I don't need a fucking CP mini game on top of everything else in my rotation…
Numbers are much better perceived visually, so I would humbly suggest that you add them into your video somewhere when you are talking about comparative DPS for example. Even as a plain white text overlay, like you are doing with your other points.
I would prefer Let go of the past if it functioned either as entirely passive static buff (I don't even want to see its icon in buff tray) or as periodically fluctuating buff like Enchanter's Flow for mages.
I haven't played beta so it all went over my head!
GAAAAAAH this covenant crap is so ANNOYING. Just let us play what we want XP
Our boy back at it. Thank you for the time keeping us informed :). Feels bad going kyrian but for best chance in content looks like we'll be donning angel wings. Move over paladins
Another option to fix pelagos would be to put a maximum duration on remember. It would always be active, but at varable strength, similar to incanter's flow
F 50 dps, there is no way I will skip Venthyr's mantle of crimson blades transmog!
Man i love your videos, I kind of wish there was someone like you for hunters still :'(
I've mained a rogue since 2005 and just stumbled across your channel. You've been super helpful to me moving into shadowlands! Liked and subbed!
umm why are we trying to get rogues nerfed??
So after all the fuss, its less than 5% dps. Pick whichever you feel better (for me is either Venthyr or Night Fae).
I'm a happy camper. I have wanted to go kyrian from the beginning! I dont even mind if they nerf the mastery bonus, I'm just glad that echoing reprimand hits hard.
The real problem is that only with pelagos you can choose soulbind dps traits and potency conduit. In all other covenant soulbind this not happening. I dont understand the resason of dps soulbind traits are not conneted to potency conduits
pretty sure is you’re banking on “versatility” to make it best you’re going to be disappointed as soon as a certain someone gets the nerf bat.
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Honestly Pelagos is the only thing attractive about kyrian…I still fail to believe how any rogue can enjoy the actual ability…I’m always overshooting it on my assass it’s absolute terrible lol and everyone said it was awful prior to it’s buff…however nothing has changed with the ability besides a slight damage buff and pelagos and all of a sudden kyrian is the way to go? Lol it’s still a boring useless ability which I’m always overshooting especially during my toxic blade Window with more crit. Idk why they didn’t just scrap the whole match combo point ability it’s so garbage. They can just switch out one of the stat boost abilities in the tree so you can’t have 2 plus the 2 combat pot slots. Btw still waiting on assass buffs 😂
Let go of the past reminds me of Legion-Survival Hunter.
Where you build and kept 4 stacks of moknathal up ^^''
I personally like ''Buff''' classes / specs, Like old Enha-shaman 🙂
So, in terms of simply the covenant ability, where are they simming? Soulbinds not withstanding, are they all competitive? Is Sepsis dead now?
i wish they made these covenant abilities passive x.x