The Difference Between GOOD and BAD Junglers – League of Legends



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22 thoughts on “The Difference Between GOOD and BAD Junglers – League of Legends”

  1. I feel like the speaker in this video greatly exaggerates the value of his "skill." He claims his play in the second example was "only possible because" he "paid extreme attention" to blah, blah, blah, but… that just doesn't seem true. Noting the ward in river, counting pink wards in the enemy inventory, hugging the wall, pinking the bush… all were good but not remotely necessary. He could have done none of those things yet walked up the same way and made the exact same play with the exact same result.

    I understand it is good to think about these optimizations, but lying to viewers to say they were far more important for the play than they actually were only hurts the viewers and gives the speaker a false air of superiority. The lesson should have been how simply reading enemy body language and having a bit of patience were all that was needed in this case, with the rest of the optimizations being good practice that didn't happen to matter in this case.

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  2. I love how high elo junglers are like "judging by the state of the map and the camp respawn timers you can deduce that the enemy jungler might be in one of the three positions I marked with X. Furthermore, if you carefully read the enemy bot's body language the Caitlyn is showing clear signs of anxiety, which makes her a good primary target, as her critical thinking skills will be lowered."

    meanwhile me as a roaming support "hehe mid go brrr"

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  3. I love the compared gank, its totally free even if they have vision, since enemy bot was way out of position and he was kinda fed. Would be nice if the examples were more smimilar from the setup

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  4. i dont get it, they make a bold claim that their buddy went 10/0/13 or something, say that they still did a lot of mistakes and then show us games from completely different players xD like why not show that 1 game of that player on point out his mistakes instead, i dont get it, why even tell us that information then. also the clip he showed where the enemies are hitting your own tower was just retarded, you have a yuumi on you and they are already so far up that no matter what you do here you will kill them, yet he makes it sound like it was the craziest 200iq play ever when it clearly wasnt at all. not to mention that it was a completely different situation, im pretty sure that i could spectate any challenger game right now and point out some obvious dumb mistakes that they make, whats the point of this, people are stupid in all elos, you said that some mistakes are difficult to understand, which i agree with, but at least show us an example where the mistakes arent as obvious as these.

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  5. The personal view had less variables to focus on and was quite boring compared to the first view, where you had nunu + allies affecting the enemy behavior in addition to yourself and potential enemy vision on yourself. Those two situations are not really comparable.

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  6. The diff between good and bad jg? Depends. Granted I'm low elo, just did placements for the sake of it and not much beyond, but I've been flamed and reported for NOT going in like that Graves did. Had I backed off while Vayne decided to telegraph that could have tilted everyone instead of being supportive. Then we've got a flaming adc blaming jg, no one responds to pings, etc. Which is better, cohesive team play or only for yourself? Countless "fill to diamond" and such runs emphasize the importance of playing for yourself in low elo, simply because the team's average maturity isn't there. Any of your "good" plays in this vid would be suicide in low elo, making them the 'bad' jg.

    I've mostly played in blind. I can't tell you the amount of times I've been flamed and reported for pinging people away from objectives, yet the go in one by one and feed then blame me for not going in and doing my job. I've pinged for a gank and my teammates will run under turret then wonder why I didn't go in solo. I've gotten rift while they did drake, the team was down and I got elder instead of trying to steal baron, doesn't matter. I'm always the bad jg regardless of dmg or pressure or carrying. I'm always the bad jg because I prioritized taking rift and split pushing, assuming my team could handle mid inhib turret, but nope I wasn't with the team and therefore it was my ego that was the problem.

    Maybe instead of 'good' and 'bad' jg, since it's relative anyway, would be discussing the thought processing that goes into a play. The risk assessment vs possible reward. Maybe it was worth it for Graves to reveal his position in that moment to get Nunu off mid… us viewers will never know as we don't have the full game. But just a nebulous "plat plays bad, challenger plays good" isn't very helpful.

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  7. In this video, I show you a Graves that tries to gank a bot lane that plays safe and a Lillia that tries to gank a bot lane pushed so far up that there's absolutely no way to miss this gank

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