I have a very special video for you guys! Today we’re gonna be taking a retrospective look at Aatrox and his rework, looking at both versions of the champion, his old and new, and discussing a few things about him!
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Petition to add old aatrox again and call him bbtrox
11:15 and varus
I played old aatrox a lot but when they changed him i completely dropped him. You said in the video was it possible to keep his identity but still keep his kit alive? I would have said yes. The main reason i played him was for his playstyle and the revive. I might have missed it but didn't see you mention he had his revive still in the new rework but then they took they away. So for a time, he did feel like old self but once the revive was taken away he felt like his identity and why people liked him was gone for good. He was nameless, basic, forgettable, juggernaut after that. When Akali was changed for the worse, she got to keep all her annoyingly broken gameplay mechanics. Why did they forsake my boy!?
new aatrox just holds his name its an completly different champion , the toggle and revive mechanic were great at that time and they ignored that champ for 7 years gave him some love he got viable and two months later they deleted him from the game
Old Aatrox Q was for some time unstoppable. I still remember abot that. I was playing vs Riven back then and whenever I Qed away, heca pulled me back when I was visually already away from him. Such BS. I was b;tching af and in like week they implemented that lmao. Sometimes it feels like Riot read my mind.
At one point I mained WW, Sion, Mordekaiser and Aatrox ( Aatrox was rather pocket pick for when they ban Fiora tho ) and only rework that infuriates me is Aatrox's one. Its not only about the change per se, but about what we got. We didnt get even what was promised. This isnt dueler that wants to fight ppl head on, this is just some cowardly mf that wants to bully weaker champs that dont want to fight at all since he is extra strong against them. And moreover he isnt like old Aatrox at all.
Sion's W is old W and E ( except AD part ) together. Passive was garbage and got scrapped and replaced by R in some form. Got new R to fill the empty space. Just Q changed and for better. And this goes with Morde too while he on top of that, except for ult, didnt get anything scrapped at all, not even small parts and on paper is completely same char with just additional ability and different ult. Aatrox on the other hand got whole his bloodwell scrapped ( his bread and butter ). Got his revive scrapped. Got his W scrapped ( his passive and E passive healing barely fit the bill ). Got his E scrapped. And Q got split into 2 and additionally changed. But hey, he kept his ult at one point, that was the most generic part of his kit.
Even tho all of them got their playstyle completely changed and all of them might seem to be overhauled, Sion and especially Mordekaiser are essentially the same characters while Aatrox is the only one who truly is not. You can have playstyle completely changed just by build or balance changes. My boy Rengar is perfect example of that.
Btw, for anyone interested. I created reddit community r/LoLDesignPhylosophy for exactly this kind of topics ( So no boring esport news, no annoying r/leagueoflegends mods and no bunch of another annoying stuff ). Everyone civilized is welcomed.
Um what about varus. Main guy in him is darken.
8:33 funny thing being, that Riven was designed after Marth.
this one will a rant but bear with me, oldtrox main and newtrox main here
oldtrox was niche and unpopular because he was pretty much impossible to balance at the time and riot didn't want to deal with it, still i would love for him to be around because being niche doesn't mean being unlikeable, the problem comes when they did the mini rework that skewed him into the right direction but people often forget he became good because his core items were op, if the items weren't op then his mini rework probably wouldn't have done much for him, newtrox on the other hand is pretty much a success despite riot hating him, the riven clone arguments are thrown by people that likely don't play riven nor newtrox, and luckily right now he's in an ok spot, ideally I would love for riot to just release a new darkin and give it the core ideas of oldtrox (health management by choosing healing or extra damage mainly)
if oldtrox was to be fixed without a rework, then I would fix his Q bugs (unstoppable btw), make it so his E missile hits for the entire hitzone and adjust missile speed, I feel like some of the new items can make him viable in todays meta, and for the people that complain about newtrox's revive, just know that you 100% don't play him if you think that was his core identity and that he needed it to be balanced, there should be no revival mechanics in the game, overall pretty nice video, i always love to see people speak about both iterations of aatrox
I feel like a why no one plays on Ivern would be sick given how unique his playstyle is.
great work as always! i would LOVE a galio retrospective if you plan on doing more of these videos because he was completely reworked not only in terms of gameplay but even his lore and appearance are completely different (that and he's my biggest disappointment in terms of rework after old katarina and old swain. yes i loved my ap noxian champions)
Got sent this vid from a friend. Great analysis man. It's always interesting to see so many people coming out to support Old aatrox, when his playrate had been the lowest in the game for most of his existence. I agree that his popularity would be like Yorick or Illaoi; probably even lower haha. Anyways solid video, and I wonder if that was me you're talking about from MapleStory?
My opinion on Aatrox was that mechanically his old version was pretty much a worse Tryndamere. Although I don't see how his q is like Riven's, the only similar thing is that it has two recasts.
I started lol weeks before riot took away Aatrox's revive.
I remember playing Morde and i saw the Qs of Aatrox and i knew that i want that champ.
Sadly they took away his revive, tho i never used it as i was not an Aatrox main, only after the nerf.
I never played Oldtrox, but the videos i saw about him are idk….. he was too Tryndamereish and i am happy that they reworked him. His entire kit has godd vibes for me RN , only problems are c e r t a i n 800g items and a c e r t a i n 180s cd Summoner spell, other than that, he is the best. Also thanks for the vid 🙂
Aatrox at least FELT really satisfying to play with and the gimmick was really engaging
New aatrox has the most awkward kit in the game. E alone is a joke, W alone is a joke, Q mini game is a forced attempt at playstyle.
Also visually he is really basic now. Same with his lines, another Rhaast… but less original and uglier.
You forget that Varus is also a darkin.
Give back the revive
Love the video but it makes me sad as an old aatrox main. It still hurts man
He isn't the problem, he is a symptom
Id love to see a retrospective of warwick. He is still by far my favorite rework so far
Man his old passive was fun
Aatrox was my first real main, then riot murdered him, now I main yorick, I feel like I’m just shooting myself in the foot at this point
well in my opinion old atrox loced beter than new one… he was somting like demon whit swoed now he is somting like hercules whit sword.
I think riot made a really god job with this rework. Not only his gameplay is super fun now he and his fellow darkins now have proper place in lore.
11:34 Actually I was pretty upset with the Poppy rework as I absolutely loved playing her before it. Though I understand the need for it I was still upset.
Urgot the reason why so few people are upset is because everyone has been on the receiving end of it, and it was miserable. So most people hated his identity even if they enjoyed playing him.
And Sion really didn't fit his own identity. He was supposed to be a healing fighter with a lot of damage, but somehow he turned into a two shot mage with his point and click stun and supersized aoe shield explosion. So, he actually kept most of his identity with the shield explosion and aoe knockup on his Q on top of his passive turning him into a healing fighter. Then on top of that they added onto his Identity by turning him into a train (his ultimate). So Sion got to keep what he was AND got more. (His ad lethality version kept the Q + W oneshot Sion, his passive kept the Healing fighting Sion, and then he got a tanky train goes boom on top of that).
12:36 There are better ways to solve the problem of auto attackers feeling unfair and unfun. Take for example the Fiora rework, her Q is an amazing example of turning an Auto attacker into a duelist with counter play. There are better ways of achieving what they have, but let's be real here Riots designers often times just get overexcited and want to put their own stamp on a Champion rather than make the game more enjoyable for players cough Aphelios 200 years cough*. Often times Riot prefers making their designers happy over making the players happy, and I believe they often do not even remember what it is that makes players happy considering Shyvana being high up on the rework list and look at where she is now. They must have made an *executive decision to put Mundo ahead of Shyvana.
No AOE auto attacks? forgeting about kayle are we?
I've said this when the rework came, Oldtrox was my 2nd fav champ and they literally deleted him out of the game.
I like newtrox don't get me wrong even tho his kit needs still needs work but what Riot should have done instead after the storm about deleting a champ for no good reason is to introduce a concept named "timeline champions" where 2 or more versions of a champion exist in the game at the same time and name them accordingly like some skins.
Even though what i am about to say might sound in reverse for old and new Aatrox this would make total sense given his story, newtrox is the form previous to oldtrox who's what finally settled becoming into after many eons of fighting and learned to survive in this "cursed form" as he says and has learned how to retain his form without the need of killing yet the hunger for battle remained.
Come on Riot games, you should basically be paying me for this…
Very accurate description of his state(oltrox), good work.
It is true some players feel as though Riot "tricked" them by fixing old Aatrox a patch or two right before the rework was released, but remember "Riot" isn't one person its an entire company of teams working on different parts of the game. To make a new VGU, thats months of prior work, assets, concept art, animations, sound effects, visuals, and coding done to rework a champion, while balancing is considerably less time consuming. So if anything I"d believe it was unfortunate timing that maybe they chose to adjust the old Aatrox just to "hold over" until the rework was ready and then it turns out he was so great that then players felt somehow "betrayed" that he was reworked forgetting instantly that he was obscure and underplayed for years prior.
I feel otherwise the rework kit is rather clunky of the new Aatrox. Yes he does everything you've stated, an aoe kind of bruiser/frontliner with the fixed issues of the old iteration….but the kit itself is still kind of rusty. I'd say it centers too much on his Q, all his damage is in his Q, and its so hard to hit he has two bandaid abilities to help you hit the Q. W are chains that literally bring an enemy back still, and a tiny tiny dash to help you readjust the hitboxes. But a passive that is an auto attack so modern Aatrox does his weird back and forth dance during a fight where he isn't quite in melee range but he isn't quite too far away.
Pls make a video to Karma rework tnx
You seem to forget that Varus is also considered a Darkin.
Unfortunately I do not agree with what was said in the video
The champion is well designed but to say that because his Q continues to knock up it does not do the same, it is a different champion perhaps well designed but the one that in the said post given by riot never mentions retaining the gameplay of the previous one is clear teaching that this is not the aatrox that some of us knew
He is a good champion but if we talk about re-works this is the worst 🙂
Now that I think about Aatrox, I once have this idea about his playstule being able for someone whether ally or fow to revive as the Aatrox for a duration.
If they score they get a Tryndamere Ult if they fail to score, they get killed & the Aatrox takes back control & also gain bonus stat similar to Mordekaiser Ult. Also when enemy or ally were nearby him during Aatrox Ult they get nearsighted.
His E could have been What Talon's E used to be with Warwick's bloodscent mechanic too.
His W "grounds" chained target
Galio passive should also be able to "Ground" i.m.o
Well that is that.
"Can't have a big swordy guy do splash damage with his sword"
Laughs in Sven
Talking about smash
Will you ever make videos about fighting games?
Season 5-8 I mained yi/jax/aatrox and I was so sad when they popped the rework trailer
Aatrox the champ who was awful most of his existence then got good then the rework broke his shit because his numbers were cranked then they over nerfed him like holy he as far as I know a juggernaut who doesn't scale into the late game which implies he should be amazing early but isn't he literally a knowledge check and just fuck me not great but I haven't played him in like in a min after his rework.
I miss old aatrox, nothing quite feels like he did, with that all or nothing playstyle. Samira almost scratches that itch, even shares the DMC references but its not the same. Riot jag killed him. "Fight and be remembered, or die and be forgotten." I wont forget him 🙁
I love the analogy between Smash!